Cleansing Tips with Green Smoothie Girl Robyn Openshaw

Transcript for Cleansing Tips

Dr. Cates: Hi there. Welcome to The Spa Dr. Podcast. I’m Dr. Trevor Cates. On today’s episode of The Spa Dr. Podcast, we’re continuing the conversation about detoxification and cleansing because this is a great time of year to do this. Getting a good start to 2020 in January and you’ve heard my experience or perspective. So this time I have a guest on who has traveled the world visiting different clinics, specializing in detoxification. Plus she’s researched herself aspects of effective cleansing techniques. My guest is Green Smoothie Girl, Robyn Openshaw, who is back on as a guest. She is author of 16 books including bestsellers, The Green Smoothies Diet, 12 Steps To Whole Foods and Vibe: Unlock The Energetic Frequencies of Limitless Health, Love and Success. She’s a former psychotherapist, university professor and lectured in over 450 cities in the six years after launching her popular site, greensmoothiegirl.com in 2007. She’s a single mom to four kids and she lives here in Park City where I live too.

Dr. Cates: She skis, she plays tennis competitively. I get to see her locally as well. But in today’s podcast, Robyn shares what she’s found are the key aspects of detoxification programs as well as what is helpful for ongoing support that you can provide for your body. And at the end of the interview, I’m going to tell you how you may be able to get a free copy, a free signed copy of her book. So please enjoy this interview and be sure to listen to the end.

New Speaker: Robyn, it’s so great to have you back on The Spa Dr. Podcast. Welcome.

Robyn Openshaw: Oh, I’ve missed you, Trevor. I haven’t seen you in weeks, it’s good to be back on your show too.

Dr. Cates: I know. I know. We’re here in Park City together, but not really together. Yeah. So you have so much experience with detoxification has been one of them, your big passions. You’ve got a few passions. One of your big passions is finding the true really effective ways for detoxification and cleansing and so a podcast I just did, I talked about some of my things that I love about, you know, what’s really important, what I’ve found to be really important for cleansing and detoxification. And I know you’ve done a lot, you’ve traveled all around the world looking for stuff. So I want to have you on to talk about it.

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah, I would love to. You know, I was sick when I was young. I was really sick in my late twenties and early thirties and it was a terrible time to be sick cause I had little kids. You know I had three little kids and I hardly got out of bed. I would take two or three hour naps in the middle of the day, put the kids in front of the TV, because I was nonfunctional and I had started reading and started studying and hearing all these stories of what people did to get the garbage out. And I became very curious about it. And it started a 20 year research project and I’ve tried a lot of things and over the many, many years of studying what works in human detoxification, in the process of studying that and experimenting, I got, well, I got, well, I lost 70 pounds and, I got my joy of life back so I could be a good mom again. And so it’s been completely life changing.

Robyn Openshaw: Later on, long after I got well, you know, I had been a lifelong athlete and you know, I’d been, you know, slim my whole life. Then I started eating a standard American diet, mostly because the family that I married into and they just want to eat garbage, no different than most Americans, right? But I started eating lots of processed food, lots of meat, and mostly just to like please them and to fit in. And years after I got well after all that and got my oldest child, well, who was in and out of hospitals and just dying. I did a professional exploration of human detoxification that included flying all over the world to 20 different clinics on four continents. So that’s what you were alluding to about being all over the world.

Robyn Openshaw: And one thing I found, I was studying what people do to treat cancer, nontoxicly and in these clinics all over the world, I learned that they weren’t just treating cancer, that with some of the exact same method, they were successfully treating neurodegenerative disease like Multiple Sclerosis and Parkinson’s and ALS and Dementia and Alzheimer’s. And I was seeing all these miracles take place all over the world. And one of two things that all of these clinics had in common is that they, well the first thing is they would figure out why you got sick in the first place. What was your toxic exposure like? Toxicity always was part of the investigation of how to get people well. These 20 clinics that specialize in holistic, comprehensive root cause, functional medicine, biological medicine these all being similar words, you know, ways to address disease. They figured out what went wrong. How did your immune system go down and disease got the upper hand. The other thing is, which is very, very related, is that they found many ways to detoxify the human organism all the way from energetic detoxification too eating an organic plant based diet for a period of time to get a lot of garbage of the organs of elimination. And this was ubiquitous.

Robyn Openshaw: Every single one of these physicians, many of them are medical doctors. They weren’t just the people who went to school because they already had a leaning towards holism or functional medicine. Many, many, many of these doctors worldwide were medical doctors who went to medical school and got trained in drugs and surgery and then later, so I don’t want to do this anymore, I want to help people get well. All of them focused on detoxification. All of them had come to the conclusion that until we detoxify the human being, we cannot help them get well.

Dr. Cates: Right. And a lot of that starts with diet and what you’re eating. And just like with your own health struggles and eating the standard American diet and being so sick and your family being sick and you finding green smoothies and, and a healthier way of eating, that is a huge part of it. Right? And on a lot of these places that you went to that that’s where they start. And so that’s the foundation and then you know, we can add things onto it, right?

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah, absolutely. And so you can’t ignore the diet piece. And just because I discovered something that I know you wanted me to talk about today, which is the fact that every single one of these 20 clinics, they all had invested in different technologies, different diagnostics, different treatment modalities. There were some things they had a lot of them had in common. But the one that every single one of them had invested in it was infrared saunas. So much so that I really dug into it and started learning a lot about it and, and ended up, you know, buying one for my own home, which is a lot less expensive than I thought it was going to be. You know, I mean, you can’t put a cryo chamber your house, most people can’t.

Robyn Openshaw: You’re not necessarily going to invest in full body hyperthermia in your house, but an infrared sauna was so incredibly powerful and there’s so much evidence for it that it becomes just a no brainer, that if you’ve got a few feet somewhere, you can stick in a storage room or you know, the fitness room or I know people who’ve put it in their master bedroom cause it was that important to them. It’s a great way to detoxify over time. It is the most powerful way that we have to detoxify. And we can talk about that. But I do want to say that we are fooling ourselves if we think that we can get an infrared sauna and that’s gonna fix everything from eating a seven day a week standard American diet. We have, we absolutely have to we have to address the diet piece. You can’t be eating processed food. I mean, maybe on a rare occasion, but it can’t be a staple. It can’t be something we’re bringing home from the grocery store.

Robyn Openshaw: And genetically modified foods or over eating animal products, mostly cause most people are eating over eating animal products and if they are eating animal products there, you know, getting a lot more chemicals exposure, the tissues of animal products. Oh, and especially dairy products, have concentrated levels of glyphosate, you know, the pesticides and herbicides. So the vast majority of us need to eat more plants. I’m not here to say eat a vegan diet or whatever. I’m saying most of us are eating too much animal product and far too little organic plant based foods. So just a little page for, we do have to address the diet. There’s no escaping that.

Dr. Cates: Yeah.

Robyn Openshaw: But infrared saunas, are one of the things that I found or just like the easiest, most pleasant, most enjoyable parts of detoxifying on a regular basis.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. So, yeah, when it comes to animal products, if people actually think about, you know, they know that are the way our bodies detoxify and where a lot of times people hear about the fat is where a lot of our toxins are stored and it gets stored up in our tissues. And that women who are breastfeeding, need to be careful about what they’re exposed to, because it will come through in the milk, in the breast milk. If you think about animals, it’s the same like whatever they’re exposed to, their pesticides in the grass that they’re eating and whatever that they’re eating in their environment, the water that they’re drinking. Same thing like if it’s going to store up in their bodies and then we eat, eat that or you know, and if you think about lack lactation and you know, milk where it comes from cows, milk, or any kind of dairy products, it is a modified is coming from a modified sweat gland. Mammary glands are modified sweat glands. And one of the ways we get toxins out of our body is to sweat. I mean, who wants to really, I mean, if you think about that, I can get a lot of people off dairy just by talking about that process, you’re basically drinking modified sweat.

Robyn Openshaw: Oh, I could tell you even grosser stuff than that about dairy products that will help people get off dairy products. But then like John would say, don’t yuck my yum. You know, people don’t want to hear it, but there’s, there’s worse things than that about dairy products. You know I have a daughter who has been vegetarian since she was 11 she’s 24 now, so she hasn’t eaten animal flesh in 13 years. And I’m always telling her I would way rather have you eat animal flesh than those dairy products.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, yeah. And of course if we can find clean sources of animal protein. I’m, you know, you and I are not necessarily saying everyone needs to eat a vegan diet. But I do think that when you’re talking about detoxification, people need to at least reduce and sometime maybe even go vegetarian for a period of time. It’s not such a bad idea too because you learn how to eat more plants. We all need to eat more vegetables it’s so true. And a lot of these clinics that you have been to visit, I imagine that a lot of them are plant based foods that they’re providing. And then also in addition to foods, what people are eating when it comes to detoxification. You’ve got to also reduce further exposure to toxins. I mean, cause people will continue not just in the food but also in, you know, your air, your water, your, your skin care products, all of that you’ve had to reduce the toxic exposure that you’re getting. So I imagine a lot of these clinics you went to, it’s so nice to go there cause it’s probably like this clean bubble and you’re not getting those additional exposures. Right?

Robyn Openshaw: Well, and there’s no temptations cause there’s, you know, there’s not something down the road or you’re just eating what they, what they serve you there. So yeah, I’ve been taking people as you know, to Switzerland to a clinic. My favorite of the 20 clinics there, to do a Liberty talks every year for eight years now it’d be my 11 trip in June. And regardless of whether you think you should be vegan or not, a good detox protocol is not going to have you eating foods that cause a heavy acid load. And so you don’t have to eat vegan year-round, but if you really want to take the burden off your liver, kidneys, GI tract, and just increase throughput, you’re going to eat entirely plant based for that week or two weeks or whatever it is. So yeah, they all do either, they don’t, these places where people get well from cancer or whatever. And the ones that I don’t suggest people go to after my research in 20 clinics, there are places that just feed you whatever you want to eat because they want you to have a good experience there and just literally don’t address the diet. Like they don’t have the facilities for it or they don’t, those physicians don’t have the education in nutrition to know what’s an appropriate diet to help people get well.

Robyn Openshaw: But if they address the diet, it’s pretty much entirely plant-based except for like the super underweight people. People who are like stage four cancer patients in ataxia . So when the body is metabolizing muscle, then they’ll build, they’ll increase protein and they’ll be like, there’s really no way to get enough protein. But anyways, I digress. A plant based diet is a very, very good detoxification diet because it makes metabolism very simple when you don’t have to break down flesh.

Dr. Cates: So yeah, I encourage people, it just reduced her toxin exposure and your food and your water, your air personal care products and then you can, you can improve detoxification pathways by certain techniques like saunas. I think it’s really interesting when you’re saying with all these different clinics that you went to, that was the one kind of modality treatment tool that they had all in common. So obviously there’s something to this sauna thing, but this is a really important part of detoxification, right?

Robyn Openshaw: It’s so easy to detoxify when you get rivers of sweat going several times a week. And so, yeah, every single one of these clinics put people every single day in an infrared sauna. And there were several brands out there and I was pretty frustrated with them because most of them don’t even get to a therapeutic heat. Okay. If your sauna maxes out at 140 degrees or even 150 degrees, that’s a hot enough. If you take a look at, and I have spent many, many, many hours looking at all the published research on the health benefit of saunas the last few decades, as more and more research is coming out, you take a look at all those, the vast majority of the studies were done at high temperatures, like over 160 degrees, which is higher temperature then most of these saunas being sold in America actually get to. And I’m not saying that if you get a sauna, you should instantly get in there at 170 degrees, but I want to see a sauna, if I’m going to put it in my house, it’s going to take up space and I’m going spend a few thousand dollars on it, I want it to get to a temperature that I know that the research, the published research shows is going to be useful for my health because there’s the sweating. Do not let anybody tell you it’s just the infrared waves that are doing the work and that you don’t need to sweat. They’re just telling you that because their sauna doesn’t get hot enough. The primary mechanism by which an infrared sauna is good for you and is detoxifying is when it produces massive sweat.

Robyn Openshaw: And Trevor, I know you came to my yoga studio that I go to a couple times a week at least once. I remember you coming and us doing hot yoga, but if you’re next to me in yoga you will notice something very weird, which is that I don’t sweat like I don’t even use the yoga towel because most people use it cause otherwise there’s like a puddle around them. I’ll get to the end and I literally won’t have dripped one single drop of sweat everyone else does. But from my observation it’s about one in five like that. Usually women, I’ve never seen a guy who doesn’t sweat profusely, but you know, I don’t want it taking up space in my house and I don’t want to spend money on it if I’m not going to sweat. And I had, because I would start talking about saunas years ago and my followers started buying saunas from that company.

Robyn Openshaw: And I had another company say, hey come, they flew me all the way across the country and I was in their sauna twice I did two sessions in their saunas and afterwards they were like, how did you enjoy your sauna session? And I was like, well your sauna is very beautiful, gorgeous sauna. I enjoyed my experience in it very much, but I didn’t sweat at all, not one drop of sweat. And it was like the temperature was maxed out and they were like, oh well it doesn’t matter. It’s just, you know, the infrared waves, they penetrate deeply. They stimulate, you know, organs subcutaneously. Well thing is I’ve already done, I’ve done my research and this is not true.

Robyn Openshaw: Okay. Anything that infrared waves are doing beyond creating a more comfortable environment for you to sweat than the hot rocks or whatever the steam sauna where you just want to run out in five minutes cause you feel like you’re going to scald your, your lungs. Listen, the main thing is the sweating is the pool of sweat. Because here’s the thing. When people have sent their sweat into a lab, okay, and then yes, there have been people who do that. They find 10 to 20 times more heavy metals, glyphosate, pesticides, BPA, plastics, all kinds of garbage. You know, the stuff that we’re all being exposed to, I don’t care how clean you eat. I don’t care if you moved up to 8,000 feet like I did to get away from the dirty air here in Utah, you’re still being exposed to it. I don’t care if you don’t drink out of plastic water bottles, all those things are good. I do care. You should do all those things, but we all just have exposure, we all of exposure. We all travel. We don’t live in a bubble. And even if we did that bubble would probably be made out of plastic, so we got to sweat those exposures out, and the proof is in the pudding. You send that, that sweat into a lab and you find out that you are eliminating, by a multiplier effect, those chemical toxins that do damage to organ function, to systems function that are proven to cause cancer, autoimmune disease, shows up in your skin, right? Your skin being your, as The Spa Dr. tells us, our magic mirror and just holds us back from where we’re trying to go with our health and our energy. Okay, I’m just the older, taller version of Trevor, right? Like Trevor in her forties there’s me and my fifties we’re, we’re just, we need all the tools we can get that do only do good and do no harm. And I just absolutely love my infrared sauna especially since I live in this very cold place, get in there almost every night in the winter.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. And we, we are expecting to live longer now than we used to. And we also are exposed to more toxins now than we have ever been. And our air, water, food, personal care products in our homes, all of that. And so I, you know, I just, I think whatever we can do to first reduce our total exposure and then second keep the detoxification pathways going. So liver, kidneys, lymphatic system, sweating through the skin. I mean that is, those are all really important because that’s how these toxins get out rather than just staying stored in the body. Now some are a little bit harder just to sweat out, but there’s a lot that your body can process, and remove, especially it’s the stuff that we’re exposed to on a regular basis. A lot of these endocrine disrupting chemicals there and plastics and pesticides and so much of what we’re exposed to on a day to day basis that one of the ways we get it out is through sweating. And if we don’t sweat it just kind of starts to accumulate in the body and the liver can take a lot of it out. You can, you know, eliminate a lot through the digestive system, but use all of it. We need all of it, right? We need to take all of these pathways of elimination and detoxification and amp them up.

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah, it’s a multifaceted approach. Just like I said, hey, just because you have an infrared sauna in your house doesn’t give you license to eat all processed food. All processed and animal products are still enough to, you know, we have to, we have to come at it from different angles. But I think I love about having my own sauna is, I mean a lot of people will drive across town and pay $30 for you know, 30 minutes in the sauna. The problem with that is then you’ve got to drive home with your wet hair and so what ends up happening is you don’t go.

Dr. Cates: Right.

Robyn Openshaw: And so the best ways to detoxify are the easiest ways. We are every single one of us pretty spoiled. We don’t want to do things that are hard. And so I love that I just go downstairs and I pressed the button and then an hour later I go down and I get in my sauna at 160 degrees and there is a puddle of sweat, which I cannot get at hot yoga. Like I said, like I look at everybody else and I’m like, what is wrong with me? Everybody else’s in a puddle. You know, it also it creates a lot of heat shock proteins in the body, which might be more linked, to anti aging in the literature than anything else. And we get some heat shock proteins going from fasting, which is much more one of my other research interests these days. But getting in a sauna and increasing your core body temperature it creates an artificial fever, which gets your white blood cells moving around like little Pac-Man. If you look at your white blood cells under high powered microscope, they move glacially like a glacier. And then if you get in the sauna and then you take a drop of your blood and look under a high powered microscope, which I have done in Switzerland, they turn into little Pac-Man and they’re just running around gobbling up aberrant cells there. They’re cleaning up waste products.

Robyn Openshaw: That’s one of many different mechanisms that are enhanced by, that are leveraged by the process of getting in the sauna and raising your core body temperature to like 101 degrees. And that’s what’s amazing is you can get yourself a little bit of a fever, not where you feel sick after you feel great after, but you can raise your core body temperature where you mobilize all these processes of the immune system in 25 minutes a few times a week or up to once a day.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. You know, I, by the way, I have a sauna I have an infrared sauna in my home too. Well actually mine, I keep mine in the back of my house. All the houses here have jacuzzis like that’s just Park City.

Robyn Openshaw: Like, if you live in Arizona, you have to have a pool or else you won’t be able to sell your house. We all have to have a hot tub or else we won’t be able to sell our house.

Dr. Cates: Right. But I get in the, I like to get in the sauna more than I like to get in the hot tub because I mean, I like, you know, sitting in that water. I mean, I’d rather take an epsom salt bath and actually get in the jacuzzi. It’s there, but I don’t really use it cause I love the sauna. It actually makes me, you know, it’s like the detoxification aspect of it. Plus, I love the way my skin feels after sweating like that. And, you know, I’m big on skin. Right. So would you, what are some of the benefits that you’ve found when it comes to skin?

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah. When I get out, my skin is just like pink and, it just looks so healthy. And because I sweat out so much through the pores there’s just, you know, I don’t feel like I have to do all the, you know, as much like exfoliating and worrying about my skin because I’m opening up the pores and toxins are flooding out through. And I know that you already teach this Trevor, but you know the body’s largest organ of elimination. You know, we have a huge amount of skin and it’s every single inch of it that is eliminating when we sweat. And so sweating is super powerful. It’s kind of boring. You talk about like, Oh, I need to break a sweat every day. Well, I could go for a 10 mile run, but guess what, I’ve, that’s when plenty of 10k’s where I don’t sweat at all. So it’s great for the skin to dilate those pores and flush out. It’s also super great for the cardiovascular system and not everybody is getting out there and getting their three mile jog in six days a week. You’ve been skiing for three days straight. You’re a very, very active person. I play tennis competitively, but I have noticed that the vast majority of people a have a reason why they’re not working out. And another really nice thing about owning your own sauna is that there are multiple studies that show that 25 minutes in your sauna at 160 degrees, is the equivalent of a three mile jog in terms of raising your heart rate, and caloric burn. So you can burn according to the most prestigious medical journal, Journal of American Medical Association, you can burn up to 600 calories in 25 30 minutes in your sauna. So it’s a great passive cardiovascular workout.

Robyn Openshaw: Okay. When I get in, I have very low resting heart rate 50 generally it’s about 50 and 25 minutes later in my sauna it’s 90. I would have to go for a fairly significant jog to get my heart rate up to 90. And you do that just sitting there enjoying a great sweat and you know, you can get in there with one of your children or spouse. And if I’m in there by myself, I put a podcast on and I lie down and just put my legs up. Mine is smaller, mine’s a two man and I put my legs up on the side so I’m L shaped and I just sweat it out and it’s perfect. Perfect before bed, nice cardiovascular benefits. My skin looks awesome when I get out and I go to bed and I just go right to sleep if I get a nice sauna session in beforehand.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, no it definitely helps a goo nights sleep for sure. But you know, I know one of the things that you and I both love is dry skin brushing. We like to recommend that to other people for as part of like a detoxification routine and like on a regular basis, not just for a program. So when it comes to the sauna, do you recommend people do it like after the sauna, before the sauna, and maybe we should even explain what dry skin brushing is because some people might not know what that is.

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah. So I actually have my dry skin brush right inside in the little rack inside my, the door of my sauna. And you gotta do it before. Don’t do it after, because after you’re going to be soaking wet and it’s a dry skin brush. And the reason to do it when your skin is dry is that you’re stimulating lymphatic flow. People think that they’re getting rid of dead skin cells and that is one of the mechanisms. But the other is stimulating that lymphatic flow. So if you’re cardiovascular system is bringing in the groceries, your lymphatic system is taking out the trash, we’re just optimizing that, we’re just stimulating it and increasing it. It’s super important for me because I, you know, we all have a weakness when our immune system goes down, it goes through, we end up, for some people that weakness is their respiratory system and they always get a bronchial thing or they have gut issues and they get stomach aches and have a hard time with digestion. My weakness is my lymphatic system.

Robyn Openshaw: And ever since I figured out dry skin brushing and sauna, so I’ll get in my sauna and I just start dry brushing, light, feathery touches following the pathways of the lymphatic system. Okay, you kinda can’t mess it up. Right. Your lymphatic system is practically everywhere. I haven’t gotten sick the whole time I was growing up. I would get strep and I would know I was getting sick because all of a sudden my lymph nodes here are really hard and some people listening to this will know what I’m talking about cause maybe that’s their body’s natural weak spot as well. And I’m really glad that I turned that around. I used to get so sick several times a year and I haven’t been sick and 20 years.

Dr. Cates: Yeah.

Robyn Openshaw: Since I figured this out.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. It’s such a great tool. And I mean I often has recommend people do it before they get in the shower, but doing it before a sauna sounds like I need to start doing that. I haven’t been doing that like so I’m excited to try that. But basically for people who aren’t familiar with it you can buy dry skin brushes on Amazon, health food stores and they usually they have a long handle so that you can get to different places and they, you know, there are lots of different brands out there, but basically you want to brush towards your heart so that you’re helping circulation and you don’t need to do it hard. It’s just light, little brush strokes. Don’t do your face, I don’t recommend people do their face. It’s too rough for the face. But yeah, the rest of the body is, it’s fantastic and I’m excited to try it before my sauna. Yeah, and so Robyn, I know people are gonna want to know more about, cause we’ve got, there’s more stuff to talk about with saunas. You’ve got a whole webinar. So we’re going to do this webinar together. I’m so excited about this. If people can learn more, cause you’ve done so much research, I can’t believe how much research you’ve done on saunas. You spent a lot of time on that.

Robyn Openshaw: Yeah, because you know I was suggesting that people go get an infrared sauna. But then I started looking at all the options out there and there were some good options that the company I liked is right here on the edge of bankruptcy. And so it was falling apart and their engineer and their manufacturer came to me and said let’s make a better sauna for a better price. So I’ve now made my own sauna and the independent website, Infrared Sauna Foundation, and you can go check us out for yourself. They rate saunas and I’ve never even talked to them. I don’t even know the guy who runs this. He was a guy who had cancer. He bought a sauna and it started on fire. And the more he studied about saunas, the more upset he was about the corruption in this industry. Well, he rates our sauna the highest of all the saunas out there and he does a multifactorial evaluation of all these saunas, and what I’m really proud of is that with the original manufacturer of infrared saunas and a 14 year sauna engineer has a master’s degree from Cal Poly and I have made an amazing sauna and we’re making it available to The Spa Dr. followers for 25% off and free shipping.

Robyn Openshaw: If you’re hearing this at the end of January, go to thespadr. that’s dr. thespadr.com/sauna to sign up for our webinar that we’re doing here at the end of January, 2020. Now if you’re hearing this and that time has passed, just check the show notes down below, and we’ll see what we can do for you. But we have sort of taken the sauna world by storm because all of a sudden we have a sauna that gets to therapeutic heat for a better price than anybody’s ever offered before. And it’s cedar wood, it won’t mold. You don’t want to put a sauna in your house that’s high EMF giving off energetic pollution. So you’re re-toxing while you’re detoxing and your sauna, you don’t want to have wood that harbors, bacteria and mold.

Robyn Openshaw: And first and foremost, you want it to get really hot and really quickly. Don’t believe anybody who tells you that 150 degrees is high enough for a sauan that you’re going spend good money on. So we’re going to teach you all the health benefits of infrared sauna because like Trevor said, I’ve dug very deeply into the published literature on what an infrared sauna can do for your health. And so we’ll cover all that. We’ll be nice and brief and entertaining. But you can jump in on the free webinar at thespadr.com/sauna. Is that right Trevor?

Dr. Cates: Yeah, that’s right. Yeah. Well so we’ll have that. We’ll have that up. And, yeah, I’m so excited to share all the information cause I know we can’t share it all today because you’ve got all this whole presentation that you put together for us so I really appreciate it. All right, so, Robyn, thanks so much for coming back on the podcast today and talking about detoxification with me and, and all that you do to help people. I mean you’re, you do what you like, learn for yourself, learn with your own family and you’re doing such a great job of getting this information out to other people and so I so appreciate everything that you do. Thank you.

Robyn Openshaw: It’s my pleasure. Thanks for having me back Trevor.

Dr. Cates: I hope you enjoyed this interview today with Robyn Openshaw to learn more about her, you can go to thespadr.com, go to the podcast page with her interview. You can also go straight to thespadr.com/sauna to catch the webinar. Now, if you’re listening past February 1st, you may have missed that, but you could still go to the page and hopefully we can have a replay up or you’ll be able to still be able to get, get a chance to catch that. Also, as I mentioned in the beginning, I have a free signed copy of Robyn’s book and she’s generously given to us for a lucky winner. So if you can answer this question after listening to the podcast, you should have the answer to this. What is the one thing that Robyn suggested adding to a to improve lymphatic circulation? What is the one thing that she talked about the technique. We both talked about it that helps improve lymphatic circulation. So if you email that to [email protected] and you’re the first person to answer this, then you can get a free signed copy of Robyn Openshaw’s book. So that was all about today’s podcast. And I also invite you to join us on social media, we’re on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Pinterest, join the conversation and I’ll see you next time on The Spa Dr. Podcast.

Here’s the link to join us for the sauna webinar: thespadr.com/sauna