Alkaline Diet for Radiant Skin with Dr. Russell Jaffe

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Dr. Cates: Hi there. I’m Dr. Trevor Cates. Welcome to The Spa Dr. Podcast. Today we’re talking about eating an alkaline diet and its impact on your skin. My guest is Dr. Russell Jaffe who has more than 40 years of experience contributing to molecular biology and clinical diagnostics. His focus is on functional predictive tests and procedures designed to improve the precision of both diagnosis and treatment outcomes and he’s authored nearly 100 articles on the subject. He received his B.S., MD and PhD from the Boston University School of Medicine, completed residency training in clinical chemistry at the National Institutes of Health and remained on the permanent senior staff before pursuing other interests. Dr. Jaffe is board certified in clinical pathology and chemical pathology. He has been honored many awards including as an international scientist of 2003 by the IBC, Oxford England, UK for his lifetime contributions to clinical medicine, biochemistry, immunology, methodology, and integrative health policy. Dr. Jaffe is also founder and chairman of ELISA/ACT Biotechnologies and is founder and chairman of PERQUE Integrative Health. In this interview we discuss the pH of various foods and how alkaline diets actually work and their impact on our skin and overall health. So please enjoy this interview,

Dr. Cates: Dr. Jaffe it’s great to have you on The Spa Dr. Podcast. Welcome.

Dr. Jaffe: Thanks for inviting me.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, so we’re talking about having an alkaline diet and the benefits of that for the skin. So what, let’s start with your background and what led you to be so interested in this.

Dr. Jaffe: Well, good. Thanks for asking. I did academic internal medicine and biochemistry, a double degree at Boston University and then I was fortunate enough after that to be recruited to the United States Public Health Service at something called the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, where every year that I was there we introduced a new method that improved precision, accuracy, reproducibility, et cetera. Little things like oh called blood testing for colon cancer screening. Other little things like how do you accurately detect parasites? Other little things like what’s the relationship between activation of blood clotting and catastrophes like strokes and heart attacks. Other little things like how do you detect tiny amounts of substances accurately and reproducibly, reproducibly and without confusion in urine or plasma or other fluids. So I’m a cross, cross, cross trained and the last cross is that I went to debunk acupuncture and did a seven year apprenticeship in Washington DC.

Dr. Jaffe: I went to debunk mindfulness and I did 30 years under a Cambodian named Monte Dharma. So I’m not as young as I seem, but I come in peace and I really want you to know that the skin is very important because it’s talking to us. It’s not just a wrapper, it’s not just an interface. It’s not just something that’s exfoliating because I do want you to hydrate and foliate, but I want you to have a radiant skin because that is a window on your body. If your skin is radiant chances are on the inside things are pretty good. If your skin is not radiant, chances are on the inside, things are not so good.

Dr. Cates: Right? Absolutely. And so, you know, I think there’s a lot of confusion about, I think we probably should start with the basics on the pH of food. The pH of the body different as are so many different areas of the body where the pH is different and acidic versus alkaline.

Dr. Jaffe: No, exactly right. And people often say to me, well, what is the pH? What is the acid alkaline optimum and then they stop. And then I have to say to them, well, where are we dear? Are we in the ear or the nose or the throat? Are we in the stomach or the small or large intestine? Are we in a tissue? Are we inside a cell? We inside a lysosome. It’s an, it gets technical. It really does get a little bit complicated. Well, that’s why we have people called scientists who are supposed to understand that technical not just the nomenclature, not just the words, but what does it mean? And what it means is you want to be acid in your stomach and you want to be alkaline in your colon. You want to have a short transit but not too short of 12 to 18 hours, which means what you eat at night, you should be eliminating the next day. It shouldn’t be staying inside you to create all sorts of havoc and toxic, reabsorption of chemicals and compounds and metabolites that occurs when you don’t have enough fiber. Well, why don’t you have enough fiber cause you’re not showing your food dear.

Dr. Jaffe: So lentils, you can’t just throw lentils in your mouth and swallow them. You actually have to have, you actually have to chew them however much you cook them and you should cook them with herbs and spices and things that make them yummy. How about curry? Same thing. How about chili? Same thing. How about the things that will prevent the catastrophes of cardiovascular disease, cancer and auto immunity by the choices of what we eat and drink, think and do. Could it be that simple? After 12,000 hours of training and I knew nothing about what I’m talking to you about because I went to the debunk it and I found a way of saving my life, my parents’ life, and my children’s life. So it wasn’t just, oh, I have an epiphany. I had challenges because I had a mother and a father and I had other challenges called a son and a daughter. And call them up, they will tell you that they were raised on nature, nurture and wholeness and it wasn’t an unfettered bed of ease shall I say. We had challenges and when we did, we called our friends and our friends came to our aid and they said that nature nurture and wholeness, physiology before pharmacology, primary proactive predictive person, life prevention practice protocols. And by the way, that’s a lot of Ps all in one sentence. Okay. It is. It took me a lot of years to get the seven Ps in a row. no, I’m glad you’re chuckling. I want to leave you laughing and wanting more. I want people to understand that they have options. I wanted people to understand that when your skin erupts or when your skin isn’t perfect, it’s trying to talk to you. In fact, it is talking to you. Are we listening? That’s a different question.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, and I feel like the typical approach in most of conventional dermatology is, what can we do just to suppress that eruption? What are, you know, a lot of them, I was like, what can we do with makeup to cover it up? Right.

Dr. Jaffe: And I can understand all of that. My mom was a jazz musician. I understand all of that. But Alan Datmer a friend from the NIH days who has a wonderful book on natural skincare and is a dermatologist, but he’s a really immuno dermatologist. What he says, if you suppress it, it’s going to come out worse in another place.

Dr. Jaffe: Okay. So let’s, let’s check if you suppress anger. Is it ever going to end well? I don’t think so. You can hopefully forgive. You can hopefully get over anger or equivalent, but I promise you if I see you as stressed or angry or tired or grumpy and I say, how are you? And you say I’m fine, I think you’re lying. I think you’re being polite. Cause I don’t think you believed that I would care either way. But honestly, if I say, how are you, I want you to tell me how you are as candidly as possible, including, h, I’m having a terrible day and then you and Mr. Rogers and I are going to go to his neighborhood and have a better day. He was a friend.

Dr. Cates: Oh well and it’s, and it’s true. It’s, you know, just like the skin is giving us that information and so we need to pay attention rather than just cover it up. And diet is such a key part of that. What we eat, right?

Dr. Jaffe: Yes. And a lot of the things that we consume look like food, but they’re not, they’ve been highly processed. They’ve been highly manipulated. They’ve been made into things that look like food. But I promise you that they’re not, trust me. I have met with the CEOs and I have met with the engineers of packaged goods companies. And the thing, the companies that we think of this food companies, I mean like Kellogg and Quakers and etc. Frito Lay and Pepsi and Coke, they think of themselves as packaged goods companies. They packaged goods. Are they nutritional companies? Oh, don’t ask. They’re not. And they don’t even call themselves nutritional companies because they have beaten the nutrition out of whatever it is they started with. And now they’re going to give you something that will evict your tongue. It’s called the crave factor. Crave as in my tongue and my brain is going to crave whatever you give me now. And what you give me now is called salt, fat and sugar, but without wholeness.

Dr. Jaffe: So nature allows sugar to come in slowly and doesn’t harm you. The crave factor wants your brain to go after more glucose, more sugar, and more fructose. More this, more refined that I mean crave. It’s called the crave factor because it’s like addictive. I hope this isn’t a shock to you or to your audience, but honestly it may look like food, but it might be addictive. And I don’t mean cocaine, although it’s not far because cocaine is addictive for some people, not for everyone. And not for me for sure. But you know, we’re not going there. The question is, can you find whole foods so that your body can say, ah, thank you so much for giving me the fiber. Thank you so much for giving me the healthy microbiome. Thank you so much for giving me a healthy metabolome so that I can be radiant because we want our skin to be radiant like yours.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. So I, I love what you’re saying here and it’s always bothered me. Things like Twinkies or pop tarts and you know

Dr. Jaffe: I’m from the Twinkies generation and wonder bread and we did survive, but I’m not sure how. I remember wonder bread and it was like play dough and I remember Twinkies and they had a seven year shelf life. You can put a Twinkie on a shelf and seven years later it will not be any different than it was when you put it up. My dear friend Beatrice said and famously said, you want to eat foods that spoil, but before they do.

Dr. Cates: Yeah.

Dr. Jaffe: You want to eat whole foods, things that are nutritious and delicious, but you know, you don’t want them when they’re fermented necessarily. I mean, you don’t want them when they’re spoiled, there are good fermented foods. Forgive me for using the word fermented in that sentence because kimchi is fermented. That’s a good thing. There’s a lot of fermented foods that are really healthy because they’re pre digested because of that.

Dr. Cates: Right. And so you mentioned microbiome and what have you found to be, what are some of the key things when it comes to you know, why alkaline eating alkaline foods, why is that helpful for the microbiome?

Dr. Jaffe: Well, it’s kind of simple. Do you want to survive or not? No. My colleague Sherry Rogers wrote a book called Alkalize or Die and I thought, Oh, that’s a compelling title, it’s also true. So if you want to eat the foods that you can digest, assimilate, and eliminate without immune burden, you’ll have to do some self testing. What is your digestive transit time my dear? Forgive me these, I’m not totally wy-fied yet anyway. Forgive me, but I need to understand certain basics because you might think you’re eating food, but I might think you’re eating highly processed things that come out of packages. When we go shopping, and we do, we have a community supported agriculture CSA and once once a week we get some food from them and then once a week we go to a market called the whole food market and what do we get? Whatever is organic or biodynamic, which means we shop around the edge of the market and we don’t go down the aisles because Beatrice Trum Hunter and other friends convinced me. Once you go down the aisle, you’re going down the slippery slope towards disease.

Dr. Jaffe: Now does that mean I have absolutely no package? I mean 0.0 no, please. I have brick packs of soup. Why? I couldn’t make the soup. No, the squash or the soup soup. I could make it from scratch and I sometimes do when I have a little extra time. But forgive me, I have brick pack beans and brick packs soaps that have a long shelf life, but they’re really healthy cause there’s nothing in there that I don’t understand. Look at the label. If the label has chemicals or ingredients or anything. When it says food, you know, like rutabaga you can say, Oh, I understand that. Brussel sprouts, Oh, I can understand. When it says Hollymorpha blah, blah, that’s not food. And there’s too much of that processing chemical. I got a message today from a dear colleague who is a very knowledgeable physician, a very caring and competent person. And he said, what about this preservative that is permitted in the European Union? Now, generally Europe is a bit healthier. They’re a bit more conservative than we are. If you look at the labels of European products, they are healthier then American products. That’s another discussion for another time. I have no idea what he was talking about. It turns out he was talking about prelimorized plastic.

Dr. Jaffe: Do you want to eat polyacrylamide? Thank you. Thank you. I don’t either. I was pretty sure that the answer was going to be no I don’t. But you are. How are you? Well, only if you eat rice. It’s called microplastic. It adds to the bulk and the profit of the companies that sell these items. It looks like food, but it’s not. And I promise you that rice is a food unless you grow it in arsenic containing water, which is another issue for another time. But you know, wild rice. How about barley? How about millet? How about quinoa? How about something that might actually be nutritious and delicious? Okay.

Dr. Jaffe: When I realized that the European Union had approved polymerplastic, this like grinding up your, contact lenses and putting that into your food, I’m pretty sure that most common sensical people would say, don’t do that. That’s what’s happening. And it was hard to find. It was hard to get behind the, it’s okay, you know, with some approval document or some, you know, imprimatur that says, well, some expert in the department of being an expert said this was okay and that’s quite okay for most situations but not for me. And then I found out what it was and I sent it to my colleague and he said, holy petunias, you know, he didn’t say holy petunias but that’s, that’s the politically acceptable version of what he’s, when a person like me doesn’t know that a generally approved additive to food in the European Union is actually a preliminarized plastic with, shall I say, monomers that are hormone disruptors. So in case people don’t understand this message, these plastic molecules turn out to be hormone disruptors and your hormones are your communication molecules. And messing with them is, let me check a very, very, very bad idea. do that. This is like Mel Brooks, a 2000 year old man. He said, don’t do stupid things.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, it’s, it’s amazing what is put into food to, and that people don’t know about. And it’s, you know, to help, help the shelf life. It’s too

Dr. Jaffe: No, no. I can understand the rationalization. We need to have foods that stay on the shelf long enough that people can buy them. We need to have tomatoes that we can move 2000 miles before we consume them. I must tell you the longest tomato that I have eaten the last year is about 20 feet away because we grow them in our biodynamic food forest, permaculture front yard. And by the way, tomatoes are easy. If you want to grow asparagus or Morel mushrooms, that’s a little complicated. But pickles, uh, tomatoes easy. Yeah. So why don’t we do that? Well, because we have the convenience of going to the market and buying them in brick packs or in freeze packs or, and I don’t know, packs and then they come from, I don’t know where. And I promise you there were certain exceptions. For example, do you know that organic grapes from South America, can be sprayed with toxic chemicals?

Dr. Jaffe: I didn’t say that was logical. I didn’t say that was coherent. I’m telling you that’s the process. That’s the procedure. That organic, you can import an organic, you can import an organic grape from Chile or Peru. That was totally toxically, chemically prepared. But because of this, because of that, because of the other, they are now, someone said a Bravo, someone said a blessing, someone said a Holy communion thing and now all of a sudden they’re absolved of all the chemicals. Hmm. Yeah. When I heard that, I must tell you a doctor when I heard that, I thought, no, there’s no way that that’s true. It is true. I kid you not. I come in peace. I want you to know that you can get food, you can survive, but you cannot depend upon the general what the general consensus, the general, public health consensus to provide you a safety net. Hmm. Do I want to make you sick? No. Do you want to make anyone sick? No. Okay. So we’re beyond that. The question is how do we make, how do we restore people to radiant health as reflected in radiant skin?

Dr. Cates: Well that’s certainly the big question. So I, you know, I know we’ve talked a lot about foods that you know, not there aren’t really foods and um, but, and then getting back to produce and whole foods, real foods, foods that you can even grow in your backyard, if you know that’s possible.

Dr. Jaffe: Even if you’re in an apartment, and this is something my son Sky taught me, even if you have only a few square feet, you can grow food up. Okay? You can grow basil, you can grow rosemary, you can grow tomatoes, you grow pickles, you can grow things. Now if you want to grow Morel mushrooms become an expert. They’re very finicky. There’s another story, another time, right? But if you want to grow food, you know, like things you can eat that are nutritious and delicious when they’re ripe, that reduce your cost, that’s not a bad thing. Improve your health, that’s a good thing. And so why don’t we do that? Well, because we tell people you only have three square feet, so you can’t do anything. That’s not true. Now I have a home, I have a couple of acres, but the front yard is put, it is in the backyard is a mushroom guild and then we have berry guilds and my job is to go out and eat, forage, you know like a deer. Well I kid you not.

Dr. Cates: No, no, I, I grew up on a farm and I remember how much I enjoyed as a kid going out and just picking spinach or picking things.

Dr. Jaffe: Yes. First of all, going outside. Second of all being a child and third of all eating something that wasn’t going to kill you.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, I probably ate some things I wasn’t supposed to eat too.

Dr. Jaffe: No, I didn’t say you were perfect. I wasn’t either. I ate the things that I ate, I did the things that I did, but it didn’t kill me.

Dr. Cates: So when we talk about produce, we talk about fruits and vegetables. There are still, and you knew you were talking about alkanizing foods. There are things that that like lemons that we think of as acidic, but what, how does that, how does it go from there?

Dr. Jaffe: No, that’s a very, that’s a very simple but a very important point. All citrus fruits, lemons, limes, grapefruit, oranges. They are acidic in the laboratory, very acidic in the glass, but in the body they generate bicarbonate and bicarbonated is alkaline. Most people know that bicarbonate the thing you’re throwing your swimming pool or your cat litter, it’s alkaline. It’s not acid it’s antiacid. Yeah. So in the body, these very acidic things in the test tube turned out to be alkaline forming in the body. And we know the difference because we have the food effects on body chemistry chart, which we’ve made available for the last 40 years. It’s now in the Natick nutrition guide, which is a department of defense nutrition guide. It’s now in the WHO guide. It’s now in a variety of things called the places where people go to find information. Why? Because it’s true. So food effects on body chemistry are different then the effects of foods in the laboratory. So if I squeeze a lemon into a glass, it’s acidic. But if I drink the lemon juice, it’s alkalinizing.

Dr. Cates: Yes. Yeah. Right. And, and, but how is that different from something like meat or cheese or milk?

Dr. Jaffe: Well wait, we just crossed a number of interesting boundaries. Cheese coming from cows. Cows deliver milk. They deliver milk for calves, calves gain 50 pounds a day. If your baby gained 50 pounds in a day, that would be a huge problem. Right? Okay. So when you cross species, when you take the weaning food from a species where the calve or the product or the child or the little thing is supposed to gain 50 pounds a day and you feed that to humans, I’m telling you, don’t do that. You’re going to end up with fat, sedentary, unhappy, suicidal people, which is, by the way, what we have ended up with, want a shock.

Dr. Jaffe: Now human breast milk it’s an amazing thing. When a baby’s saliva touches a mother’s breast, it tells the mother’s breast what the baby needs and that modifies the breast milk. And as a scientist who has two children. I can confirm that that is absolutely true. The breast milk dramatically changes in look and feel and smell. And this, don’t ask me how I know the smell, but in look and feel and smell based on what the child needs. Not what the mom and dad needs. Cause mom and dadare second baby gets first and therefore after a baby or two many women are depleted and those depletions or the or those, correctable deficits or not corrected. And then they get bummed out and then they get depressed and then they get Shand syndrome and then they get this and then the other thing, no, no, they have deficits of the things they need. And by the way, a mother gives, by definition, I only have, you know, one mother to my children, Rebecca. But as a, as an archetype mother gives and children receive until they can get up and say, thanks mom, I’m going to go on my own and I’m not going to say thank you necessarily, but I will come back eventually. We hope.

Dr. Jaffe: Right. Mine are 30 somethings. They’re not perfect, but they’re terrific.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. So that’s milk. And then.

Dr. Jaffe: Wait, wait, wait, wait, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry. We started with milk and it’s a category called hard to digest foods. This is milk, meat and grains. Milk from cows, I don’t mean milk from goats and sheep because most people don’t have access to milk from goats, from sheep because that’s different. But milk from cows, meat, grains, grains like wheat, oats, et cetera. No. If your digestion is in recovery, if you need to improve the efficiency of your indigestion, if you have any concerns about auto immunity, if you have any concerns about repair deficit inflammation, then you must must as in must must, take in the foods that are easy to digest, assimilate, and eliminate. And that means fruits and vegetables seeds and nuts, sprouts, sea vegetables, fermented foods. And let me check a minimum. I didn’t say none. This is not a life of deprivation. I didn’t say none, but a minimum of cow dairy, a minimum of meat and a minimum of a grapes. Now if you say to me, I want to go out and get bone broth, I’ll say, don’t get bone broth. You could have vegetable broth, you could have meat broth. How do you make meat broth? You get meat and you make a broth.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. Okay.

Dr. Jaffe: And I’ve just had a friend, a dear friend, he hadn’t visited in 30 years, but a friend and he comes by and I’m making dinner for both of us. And he says, you, you make it look easy. I said it, it’s easy. You take whole foods, you chop them into bite sized portions and you put them in something called warm, like a Tajine or something hot. And then you add a little broth if you need it. And then you, cook it and then you put it on the table and you serve it from the same pot. You know, I do mostly look, I’m a guy I do mostly one pot cooking. I don’t have a followup sous chef to clean it up. So, so I want to go to bed clean. You know, me, and the kitchen, but that means that I need to make it simple, but it has to be yummy. It has to be nutritious and delicious, otherwise I’m not going to show up.

Dr. Cates: Right. And it can be all those things.

Dr. Jaffe: All of it. Easily. Easily. It’s a little bit of a make-over. It’s a little bit of a of a thought equation, but yes, life, gets life and let me say that decline, which is the polite way of saying death begets death. Well, let me check, which do I want to do? Live to 120 and have my friends dancing or be in a wheelchair and gasping of the two, I’m pretty sure the one that I want is dancing with my friends.

Dr. Cates: Yup. Absolutely.

Dr. Jaffe: And I’ve said this before, but I actually have a plan 120 years in dancing with my friends. I mean dancing. I don’t mean just sitting there and watching them dance. I want to be up and dancing too. Why not?

Dr. Cates: Right, and a lot of what we have been talking about that, that nourishment on the inside, it’s going to help with the microbiomes of the body, of the gut microbiome, the skin, all of that. And that’s part of what helps us live to be over a hundred and healthy

Dr. Jaffe: A hundred percent a hundred percent. My main mentor meditation teacher at a 109, he had highest frequent flyer status on three different airlines. And I said, when are you thinking? He said, well, at least I move around. He never claimed anything. He outranked the Dalai Lama, King bowed down to him. I saw him do things on Capitol Hill and United States that were just mind boggling, but he never claimed anything. He just said, this is what I do because this is who I follow called the Buddha. This is who I am. And I follow a guy called the Buddah and by the way, he lived 2,500 years ago, but he was a good role model and that was a very intimate statement. No I mean the Dalai Lama is my daughter’s godfather because of him. Amory Lovins is the godfather to my daughter because of me. You know, you do what you can to help your kids progress and then they don’t call often enough because they’re your children. But that’s, that’s their job is to not call enough.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, absolutely. Oh, so going back to skin, what have you found, are the most important nutrients for supporting healthy skin?

Dr. Jaffe: Well, I think it’s partly inside out and then partly outside in, uh, I think your question was more designed on the outside in. So let me give you an example. There is a company called Neutrogena. Neutrogena has a oil that they will sell you that will make your skin glow based on organic sesame oil. I must tell you that organic sesame, is a lot cheaper. The Neutrogena’s skin oil. Yeah. And I will tell you, because I know this to be 100% correct, and they will not correct me, their skin oil is 100% organic, cold pressed sesame oil. Now, how do you get that? Well, I suggest you buy sesame seeds the whole seed. Now the seed has the oil in it of course, but buy the whole seed, it’s cheap. Organic sesame seeds and then equal amounts of organic. There’s white and dark Sesame. And then there are several other things like hemp seeds. There’s a variety of seeds. Okay. Mix a bunch of seeds together in a blender. So a very small blender, you know, not like a smoothie blender, it’s a herb seed blender and make a nut butter out of that and then put that in on something that you like. I actually happened to put them on cabbage. Cause I don’t eat crackers because crackers have a grain called wheat, otherwise wouldn’t be called a cracker. Okay. So I don’t, I don’t do hard to digest foods. Now my digestion is pretty good. It’s not like I have to do this, I do this because I’m planning to be dancing at 120 I therefore want to be proactive about the things I do to keep me well and happy. And that includes how glorious, how radiant, how luminous is your skin.

Dr. Jaffe: I have had many friends who have had children. This is one thing that happens when you have families because sometimes children happen and these children became teenagers. And the children had acne and I said, increase the super B vitamins, increase the minerals, increase the essential nutrients the acne will go away. Do you know that even teenagers will do things if they look more beautiful? I know this is a shock, but actually, we have many, many cases of teenagers who said, thank you. I can now go on a date. I now don’t have to hide in my room and just play games because by the way, just playing games in your room. Young person. No, forgive me. But that was my editor.

Dr. Cates: Oh, that’s fantastic. So before we wrap up today, is there anything else that you recommend, for people’s radiant skin inside?

Dr. Jaffe: Maybe the short lesson, D3+K2 imbalance, but there has to be real D3 and real K2 imbalance. Then on top of that, you actually need vitamins, minerals, cofactors. Why? Because skin is part of your body and everybody needs essential vitamins in life, vitamins, minerals, co-factors. Everybody needs what they need and it is biochemically individual. What I need is not necessarily what you need, but I’m telling you, you can figure it out because when you feel better, you’re probably going in the right direction. And when you feel worse, you’re probably going in the wrong direction. And please let me clarify. If you’re using cocaine to make yourself feel better, that is not the right direction. Okay. So I just want to be clear about what I’m saying. The body will give you feedback. Your skin is an immune competent and expressive organism. It’s actually the largest part of your body. If you took your whole body apart, your skin would be the largest part of your body. Most people don’t know that. Use it well. Use it wisely.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, absolutely. Well, it’s been such a pleasure having you on the podcast.

Dr. Jaffe: Oh, mutually. This was great fun.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. So tell everybody where they can learn more about you, where they can find you.

Dr. Jaffe: Oh no, thanks for asking. There’s drrusselljaffe.com and by the way, my name is spelled R U S S E double L and then J A double F E because my mother thought and if you doubled every letter, the child would succeed more. I have no idea why she thought that, but she told me that and that’s why I have so many double letters. Okay. But beyond that we have health studiescollegium.org we have betterlabtestsnow.com which is a portal for consumers. We have elisaact.com which is our lab entry into functional and progressive immunology so you can be tolerant to the 21st century. And then we have PERQUE perque.com where if you are interested in the most advanced formulas with the most evidence of superiority, efficacy, etc. that’s what we find in there. So thanks for asking.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, absolutely. Again, thanks for all your information today. I really appreciate it.

Dr. Jaffe: Mutually.

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